What has happened to Candace Owens? “I don’t know” is the truth. I know that. I mean, I’ve known Candace for. I guess I want to say probably 2019, I think, is when I first met Candace and she was always very opinionated. She was always, I would say, a fiery personality. And she — for a while she existed within the Turning Point ecosystem. And she’s just simply grew to the point where it made more sense for her, I think, in her eyes to do her own thing outside of the Turning Point ecosystem. And she’s obviously a tremendous, just, talent, and from a pure oratory standpoint. And she — you’ve seen pictures of Charlie and Candace at, in Israel for the embassy- moving ceremony when they moved it to Jerusalem. So when I was interacting with her more frequently, there wasn’t a question about Israel. Do you or your team have interactions with her nowadays? I interacted with her in the immediate aftermath of what happened with Charlie. I didn’t realize that it was going to be this — that we were going to be the subject of a daily streaming show where our own characters were impugned, or that we were somehow implicated in a betrayal, conspiracy or something. I just assumed that she was his friend. And she was obviously worried. And she was traumatized, as we all were. So I thought I should call her and be her point of contact when everything happened. And she was obviously distraught. And I felt for her. I had no — I had no foresight that it was going to become what it’s become. And for those, again, for people who are watching or listening, who don’t know exactly there is constant programming on her very, very popular podcast. That is — yeah, it is a kind of conspiratorial drama about the betrayal and murder of Charlie Kirk, in which Israel features prominently, people close to Charlie. right, France, but you haven’t called her up. Someone doesn’t call her up and say, what the hell is going on? I believe there’s been one contact in relatively recent days, but other than that, I mean, it became apparent that we were becoming a focus of her ire and that it was not exactly a safe relationship to proceed with. So, yeah, I mean —— Do you think your audience and her audience overlap right now? I think, yeah, I mean, I think some. So I’m not sure how many people are really buying into some of the —— French, the French theories —— I don’t know what people are really buying. I do think that there is — you see this with Netflix. You see the true crime genre of things. It’s a successful genre, especially women seem to especially be drawn to it. So I think there’s a big, group that tune in just to see what’s coming next in this unfolding narrative. But yeah, I mean, and I will say I will never look at a conspiracy theory the same way again, because when you’re close to something and you know what’s true and what’s not — one of the allegations is that Bibi Netanyahu is offering Charlie all this money. That’s not true. There was never an offer. If there was, nobody on the team knows about it. So Charlie would have had to just privately —— The secret flights — Yeah, first of all, I don’t think Charlie would have ever taken anything from Israel, just as a matter of principle, or from Ukraine or from the U.K. — like he just had a hard and fast “no foreign money” rule. Has, has this changed how you think about Trump-era conservatism then? Because there is a kind there’s a wildness, right, to conspiracy on the right in the era of Trump, in the era of Covid, with the 2020 election and so on, that is just a distinctive part of conservative culture. Do you regard that more critically now, maybe that you’ve been on the receiving end of theories about yourself that not to be true? I’ve never been a huge, hugely conspiratorial person in general, but I’m very sympathetic to why people are. And when you think about the conservative mind-set and the conservative wiring, you realize I think even more why this is happening. What we are living through is an era where conservatives have this bent to conserve our tradition, to conserve our culture, conserve our heritage. But those institutions that are supposed to be doing the heavy lifting for us are not in alignment. They are — institutional capture by the left in America is pretty dramatic. And so I understand that that’s actually fueling a lot of this. Just having been on this side of a conspiracy theory and you just know, you just realize, there’s a pattern to this where they will allege connections that might have a grain of truth, an ounce of truth, and then they will leap to a conclusion that is so wild, and you’re like, how did you put one and one together and then allege this from these two things, or throw in a third element that wasn’t even true, and then that spun it in a whole different direction. And then all these people believe it and then just distrust you or — and now you have this pall of doubt cast upon your person. So that’s the part that I didn’t fully appreciate being on that side of a conspiracy theory as opposed to being on this side of it. And you’re just like, OK, the facts have to matter somewhere in this equation.